PWG Steering Committee Minutes * 6 November 2023

Attendees

Smith Kennedy (HP Inc, PWG Vice Chair)
Jeremy Leber (Lexmark, PWG Chair)
Alan Sukert (Independent, IDS WG Chair)
Paul Tykodi (TCS, IPP WG Co-Chair)
Bill Wagner (TIC, former Cloud WG Chair, former WIMS WG Chair)

Preface

This meeting was announced and chaired by Jeremy Leber.

These minutes were prepared by Ira McDonald with draft minutes from Jeremy Leber.

Agenda

(0) Agenda bashing, IP Policy, minute taker

- Review agenda and state PWG IP Policy
  - Ira McDonald and Jeremy Leber as minute takers

- Revised Agenda:

  (1) Administrivia
  (2) Action Item Review
  (3) PWG Hosting Organization - defer (Mike/Jeremy/Smith/Ira)
  (4) PWG November F2F - status (All)
  (5) PWG Document Deprecate/Obsolete Transitions - defer (All)
  (6) PWG Communications Challenges - status (All)
  (7) PWG 3D / IPP article development - status (All)
  (8) OpenPrinting News/GSoC - update (Ira)
  (9) PWG 3D PR Opportunities 2023 - update (Paul)
  (10) Other Liaisons - status (Smith)
  (11) Next SC meetings

(1) Administrivia
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/sc/pwg-sc-call-minutes-20231030.htm

- IPR and Antitrust

- Roll Call

- Review minutes of SC meeting (30 October 2023)
  - Approved

(2) Action Item Review

ACTION: 10/16/23 - Paul to reach out to Kris Iverson (Microsoft) about Drupa 2024
- OPEN
- Paul to email Kris Iverson ASAP

(3) PWG Hosting Organization - defer (Mike/Jeremy/Smith/Ira)
https://www.icdsoft.com/
https://github.com/istopwg/website/wiki/2023-Communications-Infrastructure-Update
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- Discussion
  - Mike to continue researching Web hosting w/ ICDSoft and GitHub
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(4) PWG November F2F - status (All)
https://www.pwg.org/chair/meeting-info/november-2023-virtual.html
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- Discussion
  - Live review by SC of final PWG November Plenary slides
    - Need to change schedule to accomodate 3d topics

    - Remaining liaison and IDS slides this week
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ACTION: 11/06/23 - Jeremy to check with Mike (potentially switch IPP 3D and OAuth) in PWG November Plenary slides
- OPEN
(5) PWG Document Deprecate/Obsolete Transitions - defer (All)
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/general/process/pwg-document-management-policy.pdf
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- Discussion
  - Waiting for contributions to Document Management Policy

  - No updates
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(6) PWG Communications Challenges - status (All)

- Discussion
  - Still good

  - Multiple emails sent for 2024 payment 
    - 2nd email contained pay by check info - but did NOT mention four-week delay in processing

  - Need to understand complications with our mailing list software - how do we fix this?
    - Michael Ziller (Microsoft) had trouble subscribing to IPP mailing list

    - Mention issues during F2F 
      - Reach out to Chair/Vice Chair in case these mailing lists aren't working correctly

(7) PWG 3D / IPP article development - status (All)
https://amcoe.org/event/icam2023/
https://amcoe.org/event/forum23/
https://iccconference.org/
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- Discussion
  - No updates - will review during PWG November F2F
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ACTION: 11/06/23 - Smith to work on "Internet Printing Protocol" technology page for PWG website w/ use cases
- OPEN

(8) OpenPrinting News/GSoC - update (Ira)
https://ftp.pwg.org/pub/pwg/liaison/openprinting/minutes/OP-Minutes-20231017.htm
https://openprinting.github.io/OpenPrinting-News-October-2023/
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/releases/tag/v2.4.7
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/libcups/releases/v3.0b2
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups-filters/releases/tag/1.28.17
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/pappl/releases/tag/v1.4.2
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/pdfio/releases/tag/v1.0.1
https://github.com/michaelrsweet/lprint/releases/tag/v1.2.0

- Discussion
  - See OP Monthly Steering Committee minutes link from 10/17/23 (Ira)

  - See OP Monthly news link from 11/03/23 (Till)

  - GSoC 2023 (Till/Aveek/Ira)
    - See timeline link above!
    - DONE - 21-28 August 2023 - GSoC contributors submit code - all OP projects were extended
    - DONE - 6 November 2023 - Mentors submit final GSoC contributor evaluations

  - See OP CUPS v2.4.7 release notes link from 09/20/23 (Zdenek Dohnal, RedHat)

  - See OP CUPS v3 beta2 release notes link from 10/05/23 (Mike)  

  - See CUPS Filters v1.28.17 release notes link from 01/24/23 (Till)

  - See CUPS Filters v2.0.0 final release notes link from 09/22/23 (Till)
    - Just missed cutoff for Ubuntu 23.10 fall release
    - Since Ubuntu 24.04 is LTS (Long-Term Suppport) release, will wait until Ubuntu 24.10

  - See PAPPL v1.4.2 release notes link from 10/16/23 (Mike)

  - See PDFio v1.0.1 release notes link from 03/21/22 (Mike)
    - Simple C library for reading and writing any version of PDF files

  - See LPrint v1.2.0 release notes link from 12/31/22 (Mike)

  - OP Steering Committee
    - OP monthly calls 09/19/23, 10/17/23, and upcoming 11/14/23

(9) PWG 3D PR Opportunities 2023 - update (Paul)
https://www.drupa.com/
https://www.concrete.org/ (ACI)

- Discussion
  - Paul attended and presented at ACI on Safe G-Code last week
    - Slow progress - pressure coming from the industry

  - Alan attended and presented at ICAM on 3D HCD profile potential last week
    - Lots of potential opportunities here

ACTION: 11/06/23 - Paul to send update summary on ACI and ICAM to SC
- OPEN

(10) Other Liaisons - status (Smith)
https://mopria.org/
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- Discussion
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(11) Next SC meetings

- SC - Monday 13 November 2023
  - CANCELED due to PWG November F2F

- SC - Monday 20 November 2023
  - Post-mortem on PWG November F2F
  - Discuss IDS 2024 plans

- SC - Monday 27 November 2023
  - Regular meeting or CANCEL due to US Thanksgiving holiday

- SC - Monday 4 December 2023
  - Regular meeting

- SC - Monday 11 December 2023
  - Regular meeting

- SC - Monday 18 December 2023
  - Regular meeting

- SC - Monday 25 December 2023
  - CANCEL due to Christmas holiday

- SC - Monday 1 January 2024
  - CANCEL due to New Year holiday

Previous Action Items

ACTION: Ira to document OID arc usage in PWG
- OPEN - pwg-mib-numbers-20091220.txt
- "arc" is any single value (often least-significant) in an OID - Existing plain text PWG policy and registry for each PWG MIB base OID - IBM gave PWG a permanent arc for LDAP OIDs for Print Schema (RFC 7612)
- LDAP OIDs to be documented in a additional policy and registry in ".../process/"
ACTION: Smith / Mike / Ira/ anybody to draft whitepaper on late binding for best fidelity in Cloud servers, intent vs. process for output fidelity, and the fundamental design ethos of the PWG's work
- OPEN
- Perhaps have as a topic for some future PWG F2F to enumerate core set of concepts with which to construct an outline for the document
- Smith to add discussion of this late binding for the future F2F Plenary
ACTION: 07/15/19 - Smith to look for alternate web hosting providers and / or discuss other solutions with Mike Sweet
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 09/09/19 - Smith / Ira to keep nudging forward IPP Everywhere™ plugfest
- OPEN
ACTION: 06/15/20 - Smith to create new "PWG Documents Style Policy" and add line numbering, change logs, and other style recommendations there, so that they don't get lost - also add text discussing templates as well
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 06/15/20 - Smith / Ira to add discussion of change logs in the new draft "PWG Documents Style Policy"
- OPEN
ACTION: 08/22/22 - Jeremy to reach out to Mike for review of PWG Website update for Security and Privacy at a future PWG SC Tiger Team meeting
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 10/31/22 - Paul to post 3D / IPP article next draft for review at an upcoming Tiger Team meeting
- IN PROGRESS
ACTION: 05/22/23 - Smith to pull in the videos and try to get copies to Till / Aveek, and also investigate video sizes and hosting choices if we choose to do this ourselves
- OPEN
ACTION: 05/22/23 - Alan / Mike to talk together offline about integrating IDS content / domain into the page content
- OPEN
ACTION: 09/18/23 - Mike to put together some summary slides on PWG website hosting options with recommendations
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/02/23 - All SC members to make lists of all our specs for Deprecated, Obsolete, Historic potential transitions and share the lists so we can review them in a future meeting
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/09/23 - Jeremy to send out call for PWG November 2023 Plenary slides content soon
- OPEN
ACTION: 10/16/23 - Paul to reach out to Kris Iverson (Microsoft) about Drupa 2024
- OPEN
- Paul to email Kris Iverson ASAP