From pwg-archive Wed Sep 3 15:56:15 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14984 for pwg-outgoing; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 15:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <9709031954.AA20292@zazen.cp10.es.xerox.com> X-Sender: hastings@zazen X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:51:45 PDT To: Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no From: Tom Hastings Subject: Re: PWG> The Printer Working Group as its own standards body Cc: JK Martin , pwg@pwg.org, jmp@pwg.org Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Harald, For your review of the Job Monitoring MIB, our latest Job Monitoring MIB Internet-Draft has included indications of coded character set data for both the data originating from a job submitter and from a server. The latest draft also includes identifying documents-formats using the Printer MIB enums and the MIME-types. We are trying hard to meet the IETF and IESG requirements for a standards track document. The latest draft is: Tom At 01:02 08/21/97 PDT, Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no wrote: >Jay, >good points. > >The relationship between the IETF and non-IETF groups has always been >worrisome; in some cases, we have seen things that looked as if someone >outside the IETF wanted to use the IETF as a tool to get the "community" >to endorse a position that couldn't be sold on its own merits, AND place >the IETF in a position where it couldn't insist on obvious weaknesses >in the protcol being repaired. >The discussions around Sun RPC and NFS focused around this issue; it is >also one of the things currently making the S/MIME debate so strident. > >In other cases, the IETF community knows that it does not add significant >value to the process of getting a standard done; the IETF is aggressively >uninterested in specifying the number of pins on serial plugs or the >precedence of operators in the C language, to name two instances, although >both efforts are obviously important to our user community. >Recent instances are our non-involvement in the SET payment protocol and >our closing down of work on HTML. >(This is of course a fluid point, since the set of people in the IETF >community, >and therefore its expertise, changes over time - after all, the IPP *is* >part of the IETF community.) > >The standards process is the process the IETF has that places a stamp >of approval on specifications. Obviously, we have to be careful what we >use it for. > >The IETF should, IMHO, NOT standardize things in the following cases: > >- The proposal is not going to be used in or around the Internet >- The proposal cannot be evaluated by IETF experts for lack of competence >- The proposal cannot be modified if the IETF community thinks that it > needs modification >- The proposal does not fit with IETF policy > >The last one is a flexible point again; some examples include requiring use of >patented or encumbered technology when freely available alternatives >exist, mandating use of cleartext passwords, standardizing very complex >protocols when simpler solutions solve most of the problem. >It's a judgment call. > >Since the bandwidth of those who have to do the judging (the IESG) is limited, >and since we know we're not infallible, we don't want this process to limit >publication of documents, even though we don't necessarily agree with them. > >Therefore, RFC publication, which has a reputation as a stable reference, >is available for non-IETF documents in "informational" form. We sometimes >ask for review of informationals, but only attempt to block publication of >them when we regard the content as misleading (such as labelling itself >"Internet Standard") or that publication would lead to confusion in the >community (such as having a fight about 2 approaches in a WG, and the >"loser" being published before the "standard"). > >I've scheduled the Job MIB on my list of things to look at; let's hope >things get sorted out correctly! >Regards, > > Harald T. Alvestrand > > > > > > From pwg-archive Mon Sep 8 18:59:34 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA01358 for pwg-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:59:31 -0400 (EDT) From: don@lexmark.com Message-Id: <199709082258.AA27950@interlock2.lexmark.com> X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LEXMARK@LEXMTA To: pwg@pwg.org, ipp@pwg.org, jmp@pwg.org, fin@pwg.org, p1394@pwg.org Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:53:41 -0400 Subject: PWG> Atlanta Ping List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO I have created a list on the Web site of those who have pinged for the Atlanta meeting. It is available off the Atlanta meeting page or directly at http://www.pwg.org/chair/atl-ping.html. If you didn't ping me and show up --- well I'll figure out what the penalty is later. Conversely, if you pinged me and no show, the price is your share of the meeting cost anyway!!! Don ********************************************** * Don Wright don@lexmark.com * * Manager, Strategic Alliances and Standards * * Lexmark International * * 740 New Circle Rd * * Lexington, Ky 40550 * * 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax) * ********************************************** From pwg-archive Mon Sep 8 20:08:59 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA03232 for pwg-outgoing; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:14:24 -0400 Message-ID: <00025EE5.1337@digprod.com> From: bwagner@digprod.com (Bill Wagner) Subject: PWG> Re: IPP> September Meeting in Atlanta To: Private_User@lexmark.com, pwg@pwg.org, don@lexmark.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Don, Late ping (I thought I had already pinged) days 3,4,5. Not staying at hotel. Bill Wagner ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: IPP> September Meeting in Atlanta Author: don@lexmark.com at Internet Date: 7/25/97 3:58 PM I have finalized the September Meeting in Atlanta. Here are the details: When: September 15-19 Where: Atlanta Marriott Suites Midtown Price: $129 per night Deadline: August 29th Reservations: 1-800-228-9290, 1-404-876-8888 Meeting Fee: in the range $35-40 expected All you Type A people should be able to start making your reservations on Monday (July 28th). Don ********************************************** * Don Wright don@lexmark.com * * Manager, Strategic Alliances and Standards * * Lexmark International * * 740 New Circle Rd * * Lexington, Ky 40550 * * 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax) * ********************************************** From pwg-archive Fri Sep 12 08:16:11 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18106 for pwg-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:16:10 -0400 (EDT) From: don@lexmark.com Message-Id: <199709121215.AA02930@interlock2.lexmark.com> X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LEXMARK@LEXMTA To: pwg@pwg.org Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:15:54 -0400 Subject: PWG> 1998 Meeting Plan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Well, since a few months ago when I published this proposal for the 1998 meeting schedule, I have heard no significant concerns raised. In that case, we will approve this schedule with votes on Monday (9/15) and Wednesday (9/17) mornings. Going, going, almost gone.... Jan 19-23 Hawaii (W3C Jan 14-15: SFO) Feb Mar 2-6 San Antonio (IETF Mar 30-Apr 1: LA) April 6-10 Portland, OR May 18-22 Baltimore June (W3C Jun 24-25: Geneva) July 6-10 San Francisco Aug 17-21 Minneapolis (IETF Aug 24-28: Chicago) Sep28-Oct2 Charleston, SC Oct Nov 9-13 Phoenix Dec 14-18 San Diego (IETF Dec 7-11: unknown) Don ********************************************** * Don Wright don@lexmark.com * * Manager, Strategic Alliances and Standards * * Lexmark International * * 740 New Circle Rd * * Lexington, Ky 40550 * * 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax) * ********************************************** From pwg-archive Fri Sep 12 16:21:04 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA24720 for pwg-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:21:03 -0400 (EDT) From: don@lexmark.com Message-Id: <199709122020.AA24780@interlock2.lexmark.com> X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LEXMARK@LEXMTA To: pwg@pwg.org Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:20:50 -0400 Subject: Re: PWG> 1998 Meeting Plan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO I didn't originally post this to the list but I guess I should have. ... On the issue of the city size, I get beat up all the time when we have meetings away from major airports. We have people coming in from all over, serviced by many airlines. When we have meetings in cities with major airports, it makes it easy from everyone to get there. I will take your safety comment seriously and try to have these meetings in the major cities but try to investigate and find the safer areas to actually hold the meeting in. One of the reasons we have never had a meeting in Lexington or Boise is because the airline service into here and there is not good enough for most people. Perhaps like we are doing for the October meeting, we can find a nice place to have the meeting (Boulder) that is still close enough to a major airport (Denver.) I have had several comments that Boulder is pretty far from Denver but I remind people that DIA is pretty far from Denver too. ... Don ********************************************** * Don Wright don@lexmark.com * * Manager, Strategic Alliances and Standards * * Lexmark International * * 740 New Circle Rd * * Lexington, Ky 40550 * * 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax) * ********************************************** From pwg-archive Fri Sep 12 19:01:29 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26629 for pwg-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:01:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Harry Lewis To: Cc: Subject: PWG> 1998 Meeting Plan Message-ID: <5030300010434927000002L072*@MHS> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:06:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO I would prefer to see a meeting in the Denver area next year, if possible. If this is too inconvenient to others, I can understand. I'm hoping everyone finds the Boulder experience, in October, not as bad as they imagine in terms of distance from DIA. Perhaps, we should wait and see. Hawaii... it will take some convincing of the skeptics that this is not just a boon-doggle, but, if it is a concession which makes travel easier for our Asian and/or Australian constituents for one meeting, I also understand. I'd like to see the meetings planned around giving someone a break somewhere along the way each time. I know this isn't easy, Don, and you've been doing a great job. Harry Lewis - IBM Printing Systems ---- Forwarded by Harry Lewis 09/12/97 04:51 PM ----- owner-pwg@pwg.org on 09/12/97 06:19:51 AM Please respond to owner-pwg@pwg.org @ internet To: pwg@pwg.org @ internet cc: Subject: PWG> 1998 Meeting Plan Well, since a few months ago when I published this proposal for the 1998 meeting schedule, I have heard no significant concerns raised. In that case, we will approve this schedule with votes on Monday (9/15) and Wednesday (9/17) mornings. Going, going, almost gone.... Jan 19-23 Hawaii (W3C Jan 14-15: SFO) Feb Mar 2-6 San Antonio (IETF Mar 30-Apr 1: LA) April 6-10 Portland, OR May 18-22 Baltimore June (W3C Jun 24-25: Geneva) July 6-10 San Francisco Aug 17-21 Minneapolis (IETF Aug 24-28: Chicago) Sep28-Oct2 Charleston, SC Oct Nov 9-13 Phoenix Dec 14-18 San Diego (IETF Dec 7-11: unknown) Don ********************************************** * Don Wright don@lexmark.com * * Manager, Strategic Alliances and Standards * * Lexmark International * * 740 New Circle Rd * * Lexington, Ky 40550 * * 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax) * ********************************************** From pwg-archive Mon Sep 15 22:04:30 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08077 for pwg-outgoing; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:04:28 -0400 (EDT) From: don@lexmark.com Message-Id: <199709160203.AA05599@interlock2.lexmark.com> X-Lotus-Fromdomain: LEXMARK@LEXMTA To: pwg@pwg.org, ipp@pwg.org, p1394@pwg.org, jmp@pwg.org, fin@pwg.org Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:55:05 -0400 Subject: PWG> October PWG Meeting Details Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Here are the details on the October Meeting... October 27-31 "Hotel Boulderado" 2115 13th St. Boulder, CO 80302 Phone - (303) 442-4344 Fax - (303) 443-7035 Reservations - 1-800-433-4344 Deadline: October 3rd. Rates - $104 (Standard - 1 Queen bed) $114 (Deluxe - 2 Queen or 1 King) Meeting Room charges are estimated at $35-40 per person per day. Participants responsible for making their own reservations. Be sure to reference the PWG or IBM meeting to acquire the preferred rate. Limited numbers of Standard and Deluxe rooms are available. Early callers will get the Standard room/rate until this block is exhausted unless you specifically request Deluxe. The Hotel Boulderado, established in 1909, is a historic landmark with a "historic" section and a more modern wing. You may want to request your preference although I can't guarantee it will be available. Standard rooms tend to be a tad smaller in "historic" but each is unique. Deluxe rooms in the historic section are quite nice. Boulder is located appx. 50 minutes from the Denver International Airport. Free parking is available at the Boulderado for guests. From DIA, take Pena Blvd south 12 miles and merge right onto I-70 West. Take I-70 to I-270 (right) and head northwest to US 36 (right). When you reach Boulder proceed left onto Canyon Blvd (3rd light). Take Canyon to 13th (5th light) and turn right (north). Hotel Boulderado is at the corner of 13th and Spruce. You can also catch a shuttle called the "Airporter" which leaves on the hour from DIA. $14 one way - no reservation necessary. Check in with baggage, on DIA baggage level 5 across from the Hertz counter. It leaves every hr. on the 1/2 hr from the hotel for the return. Reservations recommended but not necessary. The Boulderado is a major stop. Travel time via shuttle is appx 70 minutes. The Boulderado is located in the heart of Boulder one block from "Pearl Street", an outdoor mall with shops, restaurants, etc. Forgoing the automobile is quite feasible. For more information on getting from DIA to Boulder visit http://amath-www.colorado.edu/appm/department/limos.html Don ********************************************** * Don Wright don@lexmark.com * * Manager, Strategic Alliances and Standards * * Lexmark International * * 740 New Circle Rd * * Lexington, Ky 40550 * * 606-232-4808 (phone) 606-232-6740 (fax) * ********************************************** From pwg-archive Mon Sep 22 18:38:45 1997 Return-Path: owner-pwg Received: (from daemon@localhost) by lists.underscore.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03292 for pwg-outgoing; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:38:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Harry Lewis To: , , , , Subject: PWG> October PING Message-ID: <5030300010927829000002L092*@MHS> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:42:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-pwg@pwg.org Precedence: bulk Status: RO Since Don will not be able to make the October meeting, please PING me (Harry Lewis) at harryl@us.ibm.com regarding your attendance to the October meeting in Boulder. Please let me know the meetings your will attend (p1394 Monday/Tuesday; IPP Wednesday/Thursday; and JMP/FIN Friday), and whether or not you are staying at the Boulderado. Please remember to make your reservations at the Boulderado before 10/3! October 27-31 "Hotel Boulderado" 2115 13th St. Boulder, CO 80302 Phone - (303) 442-4344 Fax - (303) 443-7035 Reservations - 1-800-433-4344 Deadline: October 3rd. Rates - $104 (Standard - 1 Queen bed) $114 (Deluxe - 2 Queen or 1 King) Harry Lewis - IBM Printing Systems